By loving them we glorify God because God is love. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? Based on social media, not everyone is excited about it. Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? He paid it lip service in the introduction, but did not believe it as a sign of health. Anyway, I love that, and I love Ed's voice! We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. It seemed like individuals from same small group would always have something to share while everyone listened. It looks like it to me. Every eight years the denomination "requires it". Thank you. I look forward to reading what she has to say about the sexual abuse coverup in the church her ex-husband, Joshua was senior pastor. I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. a person who herds, tends, and guards sheep. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:41, NKJV. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? How interesting would it be if someone at the UK conference asked Thabiti or one of the 9Marks reps why Mahaney was exempted from church discipline when others are subject to it? For leadership (in Timothy and Titus) is predicated upon godly character traits and just one skill, apt to teach. The things she happened upon sent her down rabbit trails while she was researching Du Bai (sp?) Imagine my surprise when I arrived there to find that (a) they had moved way down US Route 7 to (b) an unimaginably large campus complete with coffee shop, gym, etc., you get the picture. One is an outgrowth of the other. Surely the pastor should be praying and asking God what He wants the pastor to say to this particular congregation in this particular moment? Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). I remember folks telling me to never attend the last Sunday morning service because he loves to ramble on waaaay over time since he doesnt have to worry about the next service. They actually have a very limited impact. And it is He himself, the Jesus of keep my commandments who says to some depart from me Im familiar with the loophole, it is another one of those things that violates my classical liberal sensibilities as does the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. IMHO Peter was doing evangelism, like Billy Graham, for example, and not pastoring. Mac Brunson has a history for spending large. Keep an eye out in your classes. Who would we be seeking after with all our heart, soul, and mind in a worship labeled service. . Why if Aunt Tilly is sick we think the head shamans prayers are needed more than our next door neighbor sister or brother in Christs prayers? That changed to an affiliation with an American Presbyterian group then that disappeared and the West Of Scotland Gospel Partnership arrived. Conferences. Im afraid for our church. Platt has clarified the news is not an immediate resignation; he has asked trustees to begin the search for a new president, and will The academy usually complies with the doctrine of the Church that supports it. (1) fr. Now THAT was really pushing it. injury or illness that affects your vocal cords. Speech is a complex process that requires precise timing, nerve and muscle control, and as a result is susceptible to impairments. I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. Usually didnt pay or didnt pay much. Example: did the church meet in individual homes? Sopy, youve been too long on the mushrooms I think. If you had a church in a city that had been owned free and clear for a 100 years it would end up being impossible to run if it wasnt flush with cash. Small fellowships are well and good, but you darn well better get your fanny in a seat to hear the pastor preach on a regular basis, or else youre doin it wrong. Platt fell on the sword by taking the heat during the IMB missionary recall debacle, so this is his parachute. A lot of replies sound speculative . Or just not on Sunday morning. With a seminary degree???? WE need to correct others, and we need to be able to receive correction. This has led to speculation that he wears a hearing aid and has speech problems. Is this the same Augustine who is considered one of the fathers of the faith? @ Gram3: GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote: Maybe the problem is not David Platt but the mega church experience. Cue the choking voice and near tears as he passionately tells his church of all the Nepalese dying without hearing the Gospel. Also, I think it is wise to say we do things for others because we love them. He will receive no salary. The pastor has stated he spends 15 20 hours a week preparing his sermonbut in reading the comments above about how pastors will say that but just copy & paste other people I just found a sermon by MacArthur on Psalm 19 and it sounded exactly like the sermon my pastor preached a few weeks ago on Psalm 19. Im sick of that garbage, especially as used by people like Platt, because that great calling they love to reference is code for My calling is bigger than yours, and if you plebes dont submit, youre against the Lord. When I attended a Sovereign Grace Church the pastors had their own small group! I dont believe there is invested (maybe you meant vested?) (Not that I think that is important but since the writer harps on that I just thought Id mention it.) Thats what our church family is for. The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. ZechZav wrote (quoting an established evangelical motivational speaker): Im very upfront with my role to my church [sic]. I actually did. The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. LOL at Dee telling Deb to check her text messages. Seminary professor. I have mentioned the FIEC network in the UK and they are selling themselves out to the Go$$$pel Coalition. He wont sacrifice financially. When I emailed him asking to clarify if he believed working moms are disobeying Gods call, he forwarded my letter to an assistant to respond and I never really got a clear reply. And thats okay too. Over time, academies can develop an ethos that they are the repositories of knowledge, and then act as if they are above or outside the purview of the Church. But, I try to see every person who comes to me as a long lost brother or sister. Things are broken all over. He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. 20-25 hours might involve something like translating the passage out of the original language, maybe? Thats interesting. Their disregard for anything outside their circle was heartbreaking. Christianity started around a table, not a pulpit. Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. You are the church. Our collective gathering together has far more impact than the individual can judge from our own vantage point. Everything is predicated upon knowing the LORD! Agreed, especially when the pastor who is taking money from the church would claim to be more important than those putting the money in. The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. Is gathering together to worship the right venue to go after the lost? God wants to team with us and envigorate the process with his life-giving, explosive self Reminds me of our former YRR pastor who told us he didnt come here just to serve, serve, serve all the time! Still scratching my head over that one! AMEN! Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. If one then takes this approach and looks at a goodly number of other things in scripture which Christians argue about one finds a lot more leeway in scripture than apparently some folks want to tolerate in todays church culture and practice. I dont remember exactly who was there, but I remembered wondering how they could fill their other responsibilities and who was footing the bill. http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf. I literally LOLed. They will respond with worship to the created thing Idolatry. For me, its a point of emphasis. In oterh words, find a real church. Personal study is critical, and if a pastor can get the flock to let their fingers do the walking, then he has done a great service. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. I believe Jesus summed this up best when he followed up the first greatest commandment with the second, to love your neighbor as yourself. Its like a code for the party apparatus. Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. I do it for my housebound parents on Wed. May you be richly blessed. (1)http://biblehub.com/library/simpson/days_of_heaven_upon_earth_/april_22_christ_is_the.htm Jesus called us friends not pets. @ Nick Bulbeck: I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. Sometimes, the flock is so tired and exhausted that it goes for a happy meal or a snippet. It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. And all the travel time. There is definitely something missing in this entire scenario. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. All believers do have access, yes. But now most megas treat their head/lead/teaching pastor as the answer to continued success as a church and I think its a reason for this very unhealthy obsession with Christian celebrity pastors. Have you considered that its because most megachurch pastors care very little about Scripture, as thats just not the point? One guy is not so indispensable and amazing that we need a video feed of him; it can be done by a real person in the location. The academy is funded by the Church to produce pastors, theologians, missionaries, etc. Im sure they could help. Oh, that we would prepare bread for our congregations and that the Holy Spirit would be present to illuminate the Bread! Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. What do you reckon the remuneration will be for this part-time pastoring? the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. This is indirectly related to this topic.I am questioning the current practice of satellite churches.where a church starts another location with the pastor appearing via webcam. Next, improvements in distribution will enable more people to have access to the bread: more markets and bigger market-share. Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? You really ned to check out Twitter to get a better idea of what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. I think we see a lot of cases where pastors shy away from becoming friends with the people in their church. * But that is in keeping with his I sacrifice and live in the bad part of town for the gospel even though I travel all the time and so only my family really has to endure living there from day to day.. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. I dont know much about them beyond that once TAG disbanded I lost contact but a friend of mine did attend CJs church and said he was a Calvinist. everyone who knows the Lord has a calling to the ministry, all of us are high priests, and every calling is of utmost importance. In other words, I am thinking that different people have different needs, and some folks cannot deal with chaos and want rules and procedures and organization and having somebody in charge. This is made up of churches that left the Churchn of Scotland over homosexual ordination/ marriage etc and other churches that either are or became independent within the Gospel Partnership group. Check it out on our blog as well as http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com. I believe this is the main reason why people desire to be where everyone knows their name, as in the tagline from the old show Cheers. I sometimes despair at being such a talentless, beached whale of an apology for a wordsmith. and if he doesnt, theres no reason not to create them ourselves. Or when the weekly sermon is the main source of our biblical sustenance. Ezekiel 34 describes, unfortunately, false shepherds. I tried real hard to laugh about it. And therein lies the rub. I called the church to make the funeral arrangements and notify the pastor. Hi GSD, Im sure the new name for the SBC has already been determined because Southern and Baptist and Convention is not going to work. Open Discussion Page. How in the world can they ever learn the names of their people. It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. It seems Billy Graham has the gift of evangelism (gifts of the Spirit to the church, Rom. This promise indicates that God is present with the Body in a way He has not promised to the individual. Smyth of Covenant Life Church. It is much more than that and there are many, many Christians who do this quite well without drawing any attention to themselves at all. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ Thanks for the man/human explanation. Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. does david platt speech impediment. Ive even seen multi-media pastor. Does not. The organizers can gain favor with the Gospel Glitterati by inviting them to the conference? If no one has the guts to challenge this false ninja TULIP gospel change agent, and the one who was stupid enough to bring him on board, then McLean Bible Church will quietly descend into Calvinist authoritarian tyrannical darkness, its members none the wiser. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. @ Bill: Ive never seen this in scripture. Scripture also uses terms like laborers together with God. Aspiring to the office of overseer it is a fine work (1 Tim 3:1). Every church needs an actual pastor who actually is physically present and actually knows and cares for his people. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. The wonder of it all is that God still honors His Bread. And while Im at it, Ive been on enough church building projects to know that buildings and public meetings arent necessarily blessings. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card which translated into plain English means I have a better job offer and this is your notice. They cannot fire him and they cannot say God did not call him, either because Unspiritual. Everyone that knows anything must have taken a vow of silence. I am thankful to a special friend who invited me to take acourse on Pastoral Leadership offered by a conservative seminary. Yes, a traveling speaker seems like a much better productive role for him but we are just the uneducated layman of the church body, what do we know? He sounds like a driven man. I get your point but you will also notice in Acts 2 that believers had all things in common, met daily in the temple and broke bread together in homes. Translation: I want the congregation to pay me (out of their hard earned money) to read John Piper and Gospel Glitterati books all day and fob off the real work to someone else. Yeah, my husband and I are not fans of this recent development. God can work with plan A, plan B, plan C, etc. However, I can tell you as a senior pastor type that its hard to find the funding to hire enough pastors to make that a reality. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. I was listening to Platts final sermon at The Church at Brook Hills today and he stated he still has the dream of going on mission to Nepal. Instead of sending your money to the church, send it to charities that you personally know and feel connected to. Faith is a response to Gods Self-revelation. Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. Experts warn David and Victoria Beckhams little girl may end up with speech or dental issues if she continues to use on, wrote Jemma Buckley in an article for The Daily Mail. I seriously have heard the exact same sermon at three churches, with the same title and even the same examples, and all of those pastors boasted about the amount of time they spent writing their sermons. one head person to be the primary teacher and CEO of a fellowship, big or small, to whom all, if push comes to shove, must ultimately submit. They took me to a new level of understanding Gods Word. Most bakeries by this time will start feeling the cash flow pinch. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. Those words are astonishing to anyone whos been around the SBC for years. The bread is indicative of the Bread of Life, and the lighted candlestick indicates someones home the presence of the Holy Spirit. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. I explain I can't do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. Just today he seems to throw a jab at Paige Patterson. I dont believe providing free spaces to commercial growers and businesses should be considered a community service. My pastor learning my name and making a point to speak it in kindness is part of the thoughtful, welcoming aspect that I enjoy in my church. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. What I would say is, if they ever find the perfect church network, they shouldnt join it because theyll spoil it. The meetings are usually an hour long. I dont disagree. There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. deny the community access to their facility which they help sponsor with their tax dollars. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all. He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. He will have no administrative or pastoral duties other than simply preaching on Sunday. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. I. This idea is part of what made SBC so missions and evangelism minded. There is an interesting discussion on this subject between Mark Driscoll, James McDonald and Mark Dever here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukvHuwFzBA. Is there a bonus for adding Lead Prophet and/or Head Apostle to the title? But we have some in depth sunday school classes. At that time, there did not seem to be any attempt to become a mega-church. Does not. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. McLean has gradually lost the credibility it once had back in the 80s and 90s. The church there is made of people like us; its not free of difficulties or personalities. So many turn to sermon services and hide in their offices reading books or doing anything else but writing their sermon. Their doctrines are like leaven and Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Yours is a valuable reminder, too, of how many clergy embody anything BUT the gospel. But seeing it in the best light, the person to whom you spoke was just ignorant and ill-informed, not malicious. My reference to man was meant as human.. Should it come from the pulpit only? @ Gram3: Theres even a well known chicken barbecue company. We had not heard of David Platt before he came there, but we have already decided we will be moving on. A 15th century religious darkness is descending upon McLean Bible Church? As much as I fault 9Marks, one of the things that Mark Dever got right was a panel discussion at SBTS many years ago about multi-site churches. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. Once heard a pastor bluster on the stage: When ya get called to the ministry, its like nothin ya ever experienced, why its life changin event! 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